many of those programs focus on personal character traits, which is you have a deficit of hope and a surplus of hurdles. so they try to deal with the hope part of it. they say let's build you up, build this character up because you have all the hurdles to deal with. i say let's do both things as once. you have to deal with the structural problems, all the things we say that are not really getting covered but they are. because if somebody is predatory lending for mortgages and that's disproportionally black people, that is structural racism. that is a structural violence against the black family, against the black community, against black men. every one of those things, whether it be mass incarceration or disproportionate drug arrests or any of that, violence in schools or suspensions of black boys higher ratio. so we have to look at those and call those out for what they are and say, we have to deal with all of those both what the boys need to do differently but what we need to do differently as a society. >> i also want to bring in boyce watkins founder of your black world.com. boyc